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		<title>By: gennadi ouzounian</title>
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		<dc:creator>gennadi ouzounian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was born three years after stalin&#039;s death and remember those types of posters plastered around[mostly in government offices].they elicited nothing but boredom.don&#039;t forget that they hang along posters reminding you to wash your hands and not to litter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was born three years after stalin&#8217;s death and remember those types of posters plastered around[mostly in government offices].they elicited nothing but boredom.don&#8217;t forget that they hang along posters reminding you to wash your hands and not to litter.</p>
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		<title>By: gennadi ouzounian</title>
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		<dc:creator>gennadi ouzounian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>image no.5 is not &#039;american freedom&#039; but &#039;freedom-american style&#039;[my corrections are re-post no.9]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>image no.5 is not &#8216;american freedom&#8217; but &#8216;freedom-american style&#8217;[my corrections are re-post no.9]</p>
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		<title>By: gennadi ouzounian</title>
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		<dc:creator>gennadi ouzounian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no.3 is not &#039;attack&#039; but &#039;forever-united&#039;[the ancient attire is of russians and ukrainians].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no.3 is not &#8216;attack&#8217; but &#8216;forever-united&#8217;[the ancient attire is of russians and ukrainians].</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 03:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is it possible to get prints of these? some of them would look great on the wall!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is it possible to get prints of these? some of them would look great on the wall!</p>
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		<title>By: Let's clear something up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Let's clear something up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 04:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s calculate the number of deaths during Stalin&#039;s time as head of state, using some data from previously closed archives (Fun Stuff Indeed):

1: Variation in Population = Births - Deaths + Immigration - Emigration
2: Deaths = War + Famine + Forced + Natural
3: Delta Pop = Births - (War + Famine + Forced + Natural) + Immigration - Emigration

We will calculated the amount of deaths between 1926 and 1951, 
using the assumption that the birth rate was a constant of 2 000 000 people / year. 
Please note that this is an average of the entire Soviet Era, and it is 
probable that this number was lower during the famine and World War 2.

We also use the modern estimate of about 4 million deaths due to the famine.

Other Important Numbers:
1- Population of June 1941 includes 20 270 000 in territories annexed by USSR in 1939-45 net of population transfers.
We will consider this as immigration.
2- World War II Losses were 26.6 million; Total war losses includes territories annexed by USSR in 1939-45.

Our equation then becomes:

182 321 000 (1951 Population) - 148 656 000 (1926 Population) = 2 000 000 (Average Births / Year) X 25 Years - ( 26 600 000 + Famine + Forced + Natural) 
+ 20 270 000 - Emigration

Notice how some fields are unknown; this is because the information is not directly available.


-36 605 000 = -26 600 000 - Famine - Forced - Natural - Emigration
10 005 000 = Famine + Forced + Natural + Emigration

Now, taking into account the 4 million deaths due to the famine we have that:

6 050 000 = Forced + Natural + Emigration (If Any)

Evidently, forced deaths could not have been too high, otherwise there would have been virtually no natural deaths!

Keep in mind that the earlier industrialization of European countries and the United States of America had even greater numbers of deaths (especially due to colonialism, slave trade and the genocide of the Native peoples) albeit it was on a longer period of time.

If I have made an error in my calculations please correct it and post the corrected equations.

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Soviet_Union

Which in turn cites:
Andreev, E.M., et al., Naselenie Sovetskogo Soiuza, 1922-1991. Moscow, Nauka, 1993. ISBN 5-02-013479-1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s calculate the number of deaths during Stalin&#8217;s time as head of state, using some data from previously closed archives (Fun Stuff Indeed):</p>
<p>1: Variation in Population = Births &#8211; Deaths + Immigration &#8211; Emigration<br />
2: Deaths = War + Famine + Forced + Natural<br />
3: Delta Pop = Births &#8211; (War + Famine + Forced + Natural) + Immigration &#8211; Emigration</p>
<p>We will calculated the amount of deaths between 1926 and 1951,<br />
using the assumption that the birth rate was a constant of 2 000 000 people / year.<br />
Please note that this is an average of the entire Soviet Era, and it is<br />
probable that this number was lower during the famine and World War 2.</p>
<p>We also use the modern estimate of about 4 million deaths due to the famine.</p>
<p>Other Important Numbers:<br />
1- Population of June 1941 includes 20 270 000 in territories annexed by USSR in 1939-45 net of population transfers.<br />
We will consider this as immigration.<br />
2- World War II Losses were 26.6 million; Total war losses includes territories annexed by USSR in 1939-45.</p>
<p>Our equation then becomes:</p>
<p>182 321 000 (1951 Population) &#8211; 148 656 000 (1926 Population) = 2 000 000 (Average Births / Year) X 25 Years &#8211; ( 26 600 000 + Famine + Forced + Natural)<br />
+ 20 270 000 &#8211; Emigration</p>
<p>Notice how some fields are unknown; this is because the information is not directly available.</p>
<p>-36 605 000 = -26 600 000 &#8211; Famine &#8211; Forced &#8211; Natural &#8211; Emigration<br />
10 005 000 = Famine + Forced + Natural + Emigration</p>
<p>Now, taking into account the 4 million deaths due to the famine we have that:</p>
<p>6 050 000 = Forced + Natural + Emigration (If Any)</p>
<p>Evidently, forced deaths could not have been too high, otherwise there would have been virtually no natural deaths!</p>
<p>Keep in mind that the earlier industrialization of European countries and the United States of America had even greater numbers of deaths (especially due to colonialism, slave trade and the genocide of the Native peoples) albeit it was on a longer period of time.</p>
<p>If I have made an error in my calculations please correct it and post the corrected equations.</p>
<p>Source:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Soviet_Union" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Soviet_Union</a></p>
<p>Which in turn cites:<br />
Andreev, E.M., et al., Naselenie Sovetskogo Soiuza, 1922-1991. Moscow, Nauka, 1993. ISBN 5-02-013479-1</p>
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		<title>By: Sergey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, I&#039;m from Russia and I&#039;ll tell you one thing. We are two different worlds. We can be friends or enemies, but you&#039;ll never understand us. You live in the black&amp;white world, but the world is more  interesting and various.
 
What can you know about life, if you never  chewed the tar?

Chto vy mozhete znat&#039; o zhizni, esli vy nikogda ne zhevali gudron? ;) Proklyatye kapitalisty.:=)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I&#8217;m from Russia and I&#8217;ll tell you one thing. We are two different worlds. We can be friends or enemies, but you&#8217;ll never understand us. You live in the black&amp;white world, but the world is more  interesting and various.</p>
<p>What can you know about life, if you never  chewed the tar?</p>
<p>Chto vy mozhete znat&#8217; o zhizni, esli vy nikogda ne zhevali gudron? <img src='http://www.internetvibes.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Proklyatye kapitalisty.:=)</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. It seems most/many of the posters and their translation do not now match up.  I took two years of Russian a long time ago but it seems to have disappeared.

2. some pictures are missing--#35, 23, 9, 26,13, 11, 28.

Appreciate the information.  I certainly would recommend the 1996 book entitled &quot;The Black Book of Communism&quot; authored by a group of French writers (did they catch grief from their French communists/socialists).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. It seems most/many of the posters and their translation do not now match up.  I took two years of Russian a long time ago but it seems to have disappeared.</p>
<p>2. some pictures are missing&#8211;#35, 23, 9, 26,13, 11, 28.</p>
<p>Appreciate the information.  I certainly would recommend the 1996 book entitled &#8220;The Black Book of Communism&#8221; authored by a group of French writers (did they catch grief from their French communists/socialists).</p>
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		<title>By: Venus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Venus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey! You don&#039;t know anything about USSR!
I&#039;ll tell you, because I was born there? and them I saw with my own eyes what happened in reality.
When in was USSR everything was censored/ But there were no really pour people, and a lot of really rich people.
For example, you in United States can work whole life and still never buy your own home.
When it was USSR you didn&#039;t have ot buy or pay for shelter, because it was free? and to have you own appartment you had to work aruond 5-10 years and then get it for free. And before that you still had free place to live.
There were no homeless. If a peson worked he never had problems.
I can tell you thousand thing like this that makes USSR country for safe living. But I just don&#039;t have time for that. Just believe me.
Thanks God my mother get her own appartment when it was USSR or unless we would me fucking poor and homeless. 
Now ytou can only buy appartment and it&#039;s fucking expensive (watch yourself) and only few people can efford it.

Why the country doesn&#039;t exist any more?
I&#039;ll tell you 1000000% truth! Because of some greedy people who saled themselves to US to destroy USSR. Now they are fucking rich, they own everything in the country that was build with soviet citizens (they didn&#039;t pay anything to buy it, just stole it).
Everything you know about Russia and USSR is mean propaganda. Never listen to it, if you&#039;re not stupid.
I have some friends from US who had opportunity to work in Russia and they understood everything and never believe what they hear in US. And they never voted BUsh.
Sorry for my English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey! You don&#8217;t know anything about USSR!<br />
I&#8217;ll tell you, because I was born there? and them I saw with my own eyes what happened in reality.<br />
When in was USSR everything was censored/ But there were no really pour people, and a lot of really rich people.<br />
For example, you in United States can work whole life and still never buy your own home.<br />
When it was USSR you didn&#8217;t have ot buy or pay for shelter, because it was free? and to have you own appartment you had to work aruond 5-10 years and then get it for free. And before that you still had free place to live.<br />
There were no homeless. If a peson worked he never had problems.<br />
I can tell you thousand thing like this that makes USSR country for safe living. But I just don&#8217;t have time for that. Just believe me.<br />
Thanks God my mother get her own appartment when it was USSR or unless we would me fucking poor and homeless.<br />
Now ytou can only buy appartment and it&#8217;s fucking expensive (watch yourself) and only few people can efford it.</p>
<p>Why the country doesn&#8217;t exist any more?<br />
I&#8217;ll tell you 1000000% truth! Because of some greedy people who saled themselves to US to destroy USSR. Now they are fucking rich, they own everything in the country that was build with soviet citizens (they didn&#8217;t pay anything to buy it, just stole it).<br />
Everything you know about Russia and USSR is mean propaganda. Never listen to it, if you&#8217;re not stupid.<br />
I have some friends from US who had opportunity to work in Russia and they understood everything and never believe what they hear in US. And they never voted BUsh.<br />
Sorry for my English.</p>
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		<title>By: USA Akbar</title>
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		<dc:creator>USA Akbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Capitalism Rocks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capitalism Rocks!</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph Stalin was a great leader. He worked tirelessly for the cause of the revolution, brought the Soviet Union out of the figurative stone age, industrialised the Fatherland, turning it into a modern world super power. Comrade Stalin led the Soviet Union to victory in the Second World War, he came to the resuce of the West, defeated Hitler and saved the world from Nazism. He is the hero of the 20th century and the reason we are free today. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/Stalin_1902.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph Stalin was a great leader. He worked tirelessly for the cause of the revolution, brought the Soviet Union out of the figurative stone age, industrialised the Fatherland, turning it into a modern world super power. Comrade Stalin led the Soviet Union to victory in the Second World War, he came to the resuce of the West, defeated Hitler and saved the world from Nazism. He is the hero of the 20th century and the reason we are free today. <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/Stalin_1902.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/Stalin_1902.jpg</a></p>
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